Tuesday, January 6, 2015

The Crying Incident And Leaked Marbles

Dermot Murnaghan interview Sky News

Transcript by Nigel Moore
Interview broadcast: 01 May 2008

Gerry McCann
Anybody with young children will understand that children cry; they wake up at night. During that week there was one night, errr… and we can't give too much detail because it's part of the investigation file but there was one night where Madeleine came through and one of the other, errr… twins were crying, so, you know, and when she did mention to it… it to us and we asked her about it and she just dropped… she was completely fine and we thought, 'Was it when they were bathing, getting them, you know, first putting them down in that period when they're really tired. Of course, with hindsight, in the… in the context of what had happened; of Madeleine being abducted, it's put in a very different light and it's put in a very different light to us and, of course, we emphasised that to the police.

More leaked marbles
This was gerry's response to being asked about the alleged crying incident.

He asks was it 'Was it when they were bathing, getting them, you know, first putting them down in that period when they're really tired?"
Think about it for a moment.

Do you see it? 

If kate and gerry were bathing them, the question would not have arisen as they would already be there. 

If kate and gerry were in the apartment and didn't respond to the crying at bath time who was bathing them? 

If they were in the apartment they would have heard the crying and parental instinct should have made them check on the children to see why they were crying and reassure them. 

Since they never heard the crying this raises 2 questions. 

If the children were in 5a as claimed, where were kate and gerry?

 If kate and gerry were in 5a, where were the children? 

The same applies for the putting to bed.

Kate has told us this fanciful story about the bedtime routine the night Maddie vanished, sounds good except it didn't happen.

If Maddie was crying when they were being put to bed kate would know as she was present and the where were you when we cried statement would not have happened.

So, if the children were being put to bed in 5a so were all the other children as gerry already told us all the children were together, in which case again where was kate and gerry and who was putting them to bed? 

If they were all sleeping in another apartment (the twins being moved back to the apartment and no blankets) whose apartment and who was putting them to bed (david payne and his liking to bathe little children not his own perhaps?) 

Both kate and gerry have told us the children were not in 5a and that someone other than them was bathing and putting the children to bed. 

Since they were all in one place not 5a, since there was an adult present, there was never an abduction from 5a.

There couldn't have been for there were no children there and where the children were, there was an adult present.

 What should have been done was the bedding is all the apartments taken as evidence and tested for DNA.

I bet all the children would have shown up in at least one apartment. 

The PJ based their initial few hours investigation on an abduction as claimed by the parents. 

I bet there was a lot of laundry being done those first few days


  1. Hi, Could you explain how you think the cadaver got into 5A if the children were elsewhere?

    Thank you.

  2. HI Anon.
    Cadaverine is produced from the moment of death, depending on manner of death and environmental conditions it would take approx 90 mins for it to be detectable by a trained cadaver dog.
    Thereafter, everything the cadaver comes into contact with, however briefly will be marked with the scent of cadaverine.
    This tells us that Maddie was dead for at least 90 mins before she was moved.
    What isn't known for certain is whether she died behind the sofa and lay there undetected for a minimum of 90 mins which blows their checks away.
    Whether she died elsewhere due to accident or deliberately and was placed behind the sofa whilst a plan was worked on to conceal her remains.
    Cadaverine was detected behind the sofa along with blood which would seem to indicate she either fell there and died or she was severely injured or freshly dead and placed behind the sofa whilst the killer decided on a plan of action.

    Cadaverine was also detected in the parents wardrobe which would indicate the body or things that came into contact with the body (the missing blue bag ) were in there at some point.
    Cadaverine was also detected on kates pants, a child's red t shirt and cuddlecat.
    Had Maddie been wearting the t shirt and holding cuddlecat when she died?
    Was cuddlecat placed in her hands as a cpmforter as she lay dying?

    It is noted that during the alleged checks, we have mention on the various adults checking specifically on Maddie and not all 3 children.
    is this because she was alone in the apartment whilst the other children were all in someone elses apartment?
    it would explain the convoluted language and why the mccanns never checked anyone elss children but had everyone else check theirs.

    We also have the problem of when she was last seen by an independant witness and it was confirmed to be Maddie.
    Pretty much everything gets vague on the monday and tuesday, we have the troublesome and faked creche register with the dodgy signatures, we have the mccanns avoiding meals with the rest of the group.
    Assuming Maddie died before the night of the allged abduction, it would allow for them to decide on a plan of action, allow for a near forensic clean up, allow for her to be removed to a place of safe keeping likely with a freezer since there was evidence of body fluids in the hire car from a starting to defrost body.
    Maddie is dead, this is a given and has also been stated by both mccanns and their spokesman.
    It is possible that after Maddie died the children were all sleeping elsewhere in one group to make for easy checks(assuming they did any) it also explained why it seemed to be the men that did the checks (perhaps they could be trusted to stick to the plan unlike tanner)
    It would also explain why oldfield on his check described a totally different apartment.
    Maddie had to be moved prior to the night of the 3rd to allow for the scene to be set and the play to commence.
    The question is, where was she between the moment she died and the moment they reported the faked abduction?

  3. agreed tania, apartment 5a wasnt lived in, no dna, spotless, def didnt look like three kids had stayed there. 5a was used to store a dead madeleine and to stage a faked abduction stage, imo

  4. Tania, thank-you for taking the time to reply to my post at 8:25 AM, although I didn't know Madeleine, I find myself getting upset thinking how she must have suffered in her dying moments if no-one was there to help her, and the fact that her parents could be involved in her disappearance.
    I did wonder if she had woken-up and left the apartment to look for her parents, and maybe fell in the pool, and when discovered she was carried back to the apartment to try and resuscitate her but it was too late. I also wondered if she'd fiddled with beads on that elastic in her hair, and maybe choked
    on those? If they really were left on their own in the apartment without any supervision, do you think rather than own up to finding Madeleine dead/dying they just panicked and decided to dream up the abduction story? Not particularly thinking straight, and being worse for wear, after boozing all night.

    Thank-you for your interesting opinion on this very weird/baffling case.


  5. Hi,
    I'd appreciate a reply to my question when you can find the time.Both of the things I've mentioned are a possibility, and I wanted to know what you thought about this.

  6. OK, I give up, probably doesn't have an opinion, or won't budge from what they see as fact. Dismissing anything that doesn't fit in with what they believe to be the truth.

  7. Anon feb 20, if you are referring to the post at February 16, 2015 at 10:08 PM then i have done a post on it.
    if it is not that to which you refer then do you refer to?
    Also it isn't a good idea to drop pronouns when i am around.

  8. Hi! One thing that has always nagged at me.... all the things said about DPayne (all over the internet) and he has never, that I know of, refuted them or sued anyone. Why is that? It would be easy for some to just say ' well it's not true so why would he? ' Then you could also say ' well the mccanns sue people for saying stuff that they claim isn't true, so why did they? '
    What do you think Hobs?

  9. Gerry has rolled two crying incidents into one in this interview.I wonder why that would be?


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